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A1Cafel and email from photographer[edit]

In two related deletion debates, Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Buckingham Palace Reception (5 May 2023) and Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Buckingham Palace Realms Lunch (5 May 2023), started by User:A1Cafel, they claim to have conducted email correspondence with a professional photographer, who asserted that their images are not under open licence. In other correspondence, that photographer states that the rights were transferred to the UK government (who, we know, released them, via Flickr, under open licence).

The correspondence has been consolidated under Ticket:2023050910013168.

While it possible that the photographer sent multiple, contradictory emails, this seems unlikely and the matter needs to be investigated by an uninvolved administrator with VRS access. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have no idea why there is a conflict in two emails, but I definitely email Ian Jones under the VRT ticket Ticket:2023050710000407. Any VRT volunteers can check if you don't believe it, and it is a serious offense to claim me of lying/creating a fake email. I won't object the most recent email sent by Mr. Jones after further confirmation of the ownership. --A1Cafel (talk) 14:49, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Regardless, I think A1Cafel should step back. While they are again allowed to do ordinary DRs (I assume), e-mailing photographers and copyright owners is delicate business, and with the history, I would very much prefer them leaving that to somebody else. –LPfi (talk) 17:17, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Non-admin comment Just to link Commons:Deletion requests/Files found with Photo by Mark Tantrum where an email to the photographer may also be in progress. - FotoFree (talk) 18:43, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment A1Cafel should be banned to create any DR. The demonstration is clear about inability to understand policies and deletion criteria. Yann (talk) 19:12, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
VRT agent comment I have viewed the emails (ticket:2023050910013168). I don't believe that User:A1Cafel is lying, there are multiple contradictory emails in this ticket. I have asked A1Cafel to confirm one confidential thing via email, and await their response. I would refrain from dogpiling on them at this time (at least for this :)). —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, @A1Cafel replied to me. Again, they were not lying, and if I only had the email correspondence that they had at the time they requested deletion, I would have requested deletion too. Pinging people who may have lessened their opinion of A1Cafel based on this to encourage them to restore their opinion of A1Cafel to wherever it was before: @Yann, Stemoc, Pigsonthewing, and LPfi.

That being said, A1Cafel's initial email to the photographer, while it was professional, was not well-phrased to avoid this type of miscommunication--in short, and again without revealing confidential information, it asked the wrong questions. I agree with how LPfi put it, emailing "photographers and copyright owners is delicate business", best suited for more careful hands at this time. I would therefore ask A1Cafel to leave emailing photographers/copyright owners/etc. to someone else.

I hope this resolves the user-focused portion of this dispute. —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 03:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I seldom email to photographer to ask for permission, unless it involved in my deletion requests. --A1Cafel (talk) 04:17, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
thats the point, you do this a lot and you have been warned not to do it, you nominated them for deletion so you should NOT be the one sending the photographer any e-mail/correspondence for clarification, you should have thought of that before you MASS NOMINATE anything for deletion which is something you constantly do. It's kinda ironic the one admin on this project thats on your side a lot is the one here defending you. You have been topic banned for a similar situation of constant DR without following the guidelines, you should have been blocked for longer for violating that Topic ban by logging out and continuing to mass nominate images for DR which IMO carries a minimum of 3 months full block but alas the same partial admin "got" involved and you got off easy and now we are here. Can we get an impartial admin with VRT access to deal with this please? or else i fear it will happen again...and again.....he has already had 2 Topic Bans on this, there should not be a third...This project should not be treated like some game and if this user continues to message photographers, I feel it will not be for the good of this project cause a user who doesn't understand the guidelines or the copyright laws is going to do more damage messaging photographers and might even put the project itself in a far worse situation if the people he messages, gets the wrong impression from him..*cough* libel *cough* ... Ste moc 05:21, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Stemoc, adminstrator @DarwIn told me they were willing to deal with that, but I am unsure if they still want to. In my opinion, someone trustworthy should email Jones in order to make this question clear once and for all. RodRabelo7 (talk) 18:59, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Mdaniels5757. "Would" is the past tense of "will." You wrote above, "I would therefore ask A1Cafel to leave emailing photographers/copyright owners/etc. to someone else."

1. Will you formally make this request to A1Cafel or is the above statement by you considered to have been your request to A1Cafel?

2. Who is "someone else?"

3. What was the response to your request?

A1Cafel stated, "I seldom email to photographer to ask for permission, unless it involved in my deletion requests"

Was this an appropriate response to your request by A1Cafel? (assuming that you have already made the above request of A1Cafel.)

A1Cafel's response does not appear to acknowledge your request at all. -- Ooligan (talk) 09:22, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@LPfi. Pinging, because a comment about emailing photographers were mentioned and agreeable to the Admin and are related to my questions. -- Ooligan (talk) 09:32, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ooligan @A1Cafel

1. Sure: I formally request that A1Cafel refrain from emailing photographers/copyright owners/etc.

2. Literally anyone else.

3. It was inadequate to resolve the concerns. I ask that A1Cafel respond to (ideally, agree to) my "formal" request in (1) above.

Best, —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I concur with the request made by Mdaniels--A1Cafel (talk) 06:39, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. I am the VRT agent who processed the ticket communication and finally accepted the permission, after initially having voted for deletion. With the assertion from the photographer that he has conveyed full rights of usage with no restriction to Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (who were the ones to published the images), and weighing all other circumstances, i found it justified to accept the images. I would be happy if we could close the case now without blaming anyone personally. Cheers, --Mussklprozz (talk) 07:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

not yet, he has sent another photographer an email even when told not to and because he lacks the understanding of the copyright laws of that said country where the photographer is from (NZ), one would assume he again said or implied the wrong thing, as he will do anything toe get stuff deleted...mind you, when he filed that DR, he didn't even bother to write the words himself, he just copy/pasted what Elcobbola wrote in a previous DR to justify his deletions, as you can see per the 2nd DR on that link, and now he did it third time just goes to show he has no idea what he is doing and is dangerous to this project.It can't just end here, someone needs to drop the hammer...Multiple violation in the span of 2 years cannot be swept under the rug anymore.. Ste moc 07:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

one would think that if a user wants to challenge copyright claims of some reputable organisations s/he would act cautiously instead of mass DR without consulting the community beforehand,

but this user is not the only elephant in china shops. see Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Photos from Parlamentul Republicii Moldova Flickr stream for the outrageous behaviour of another user, who of course roams free of any fear of punishment. then you understand why these problematic mass DR keep appearing. RZuo (talk) 11:25, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Should we hide website of E-Mail-Address spam?[edit]

There is a lot of spam by IPs adding Weblinks, E-Mail-Addresses or phone numbers to pages. In most cases this is added as a caption. That is of course to be reverted but should we also hide the revision as we do not know what what is behind the link of whom the E-Mail-Address or phone number belongs to? GPSLeo (talk) 07:21, 12 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We should have a filter preventing IPs adding phone numbers and email addresses anywhere. Yann (talk) 11:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Then the filter does not work for captions. GPSLeo (talk) 12:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Yann and GPSLeo: Maybe using regex? Tryvix1509 (talk) 15:29, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Probably yes. I am not a filter expert, so... Yann (talk) 16:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See also RFC822. Tryvix1509 (talk) 10:18, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

500 Images with Phone Number Advertisement[edit]

Hey Admins. If you search for "13609905889", there are about 500 images that have this China (PRC) phone number in the image title and the image description. All of that needs to be removed en masse somehow, as it constitutes advertising. I've been chipping away at it piecemeal for maybe a year or so now, as here: File:218公路 218 Highway 大脚印探险救援！ Large footp - panoramio (1).jpg and in many other images. I will keep chipping away at it one at a time if no one does anything, but this is really a problem that I think someone with administrator power should just go in and "solve" with their admin powers. I consider all the images themselves as precious documentation of western China; all or most are valuable. Ping me if needed. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:56, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Shouldn't really need an admin (just filemover and some knowledge of tools), but I'll take it on. - Jmabel ! talk 02:40, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Man, massrename is pretty slow on this large a batch. But it should all work out. Marking this Done, though I still have some followup to do when the batch job completes. - Jmabel ! talk 03:38, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Jmabel ! talk 03:38, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jmabel: COM:AN doesn't use SpBot. – Tryvix1509 (talk) 15:27, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Tryvix1509: yes, I'm aware of that. Does that mean we should never mark a section as resolved? - Jmabel ! talk 17:36, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

newbie needs help[edit]

i am a friend of Hunter March’s. he asked me recently to help make some wanted edits to his wikipedia page since he didn’t know how. well, i didn’t either but i managed to figure some stuff out. one thing he really wanted updated was the photo on his page so i uploaded a new one with his approval. apparently it was deleted because of lack of copyright or something. i honestly don’t understand any of this so i just need someone to let me know how we can properly and permanently add an updated photo to his page please Rachael LP (talk) 07:07, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The photo can be restored after VRT-permission from copyright holder is received and accepted. The copyright holder is photographer Jacob E. Tovar, not depicted person Hunter March or you. Alternatively, make a photo about Hunter March yourself and upload it. Taivo (talk) 08:12, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

N.B. This concerned File:Hunty at home.jpg. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ_{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 10:55, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Rachael LP: if you are editing at the request of the subject of an article, have you read the English-language Wikipedia's policy on conflicts of interest? You definitely should, because if you violate it, you are likely to be blocked there. - Jmabel ! talk 17:38, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Commons:Deletion requests/Audio files of tango music published after 1922[edit]

Could someone look in at Commons:Deletion requests/Audio files of tango music published after 1922? On sheer numbers the "keep" and "delete" votes are equal. I'm one of the people who has weighed in, so it seems to me it would be poor form for me to determine what happens here. I personally believe this is a straight-out copyright issue, so it shouldn't matter if an equal number of people don't like the result. - Jmabel ! talk 23:17, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's already been closed. I agree with the closing admin. Bedivere (talk) 15:35, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New edit tag request[edit]

I am developing a new tool for adding SDC (primarily depicts) statements at DepictAssist, and would like to request a tag be created for the application. Thanks! Dominic (talk) 17:27, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request:

Tag name	Display text	Description
`DepictAssist`	DepictAssist	Toolforge tool assisting users in adding SDC statements

Dominic (talk) 17:27, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Dominic

Done —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks! Dominic (talk) 14:25, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Community decided, that Rza Talıbov is notable and Commons needs photos about him. Free licenses are irrevocable, author has no right to demand deletion of the photo. Taivo (talk) 07:07, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

File:Rza Talıbov (şəxsi foto).jpg[edit]

Dear administrators, I am the author of the image and I want the image to be deleted. I include the name of the file, the image is not used, that is, it is not associated with any article and category, image it is not used and there is a reason for its removal. Also, the person in the photo himself told me that I do not want this picture of me to be on Wikipedia, and he wrote me a letter about this request and took a selfie with his passport and sent it to me to fulfill his request. I needs help - Please delete image. Elshad Iman^verified 08:59, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment The photo is unused and az:Rza Talıbov was deleted. The file has no copyright problems, but educational value is somehow dubious. Taivo (talk) 12:15, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This image is not eligible for deletion. It was kept recently, at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Rza Talıbov (şəxsi foto).jpg. It was released under an irrevocable open licence (furthermore, via VRTS), has been on Commons for almost three years (so is outside any reasonable timeframe for courtesy deletion) and is of a significant public figure. There is also educational value in depicting the uniform worn. The image is used outside of Wikimedia projects, so we have a duty to maintain the record of its open licence. Furthermore, it is used on Wikidata where I have just reverted its recent removal by Elshad Iman (their previous attempt to remove it, last January, was also reverted, by another editor). I also note that the category was deleted as empty after Elshad Iman purged its use in images in December 2022 ([1]). Such behaviour warrants a block, if repeated. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:33, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- @Yann, Ankry, and Kadı: who were involved in (or closed) the recent deletion request. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:03, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support To my knowledge policy is that there is no timeframe for courtesy deletions. If the original uploader asks for deletion there is timeframe <7 days. I think we do not have any duty to maintain this image. --Htm (talk) 16:27, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have a question: if the author of the photo and the owner of the photo (when I say the owner of the photo, I mean Rza Talybov himself) do not want to have any information about themselves on Wikipedia, where should they officially apply in this regard? Please take into account the wishes of the author and Rza Talybov, or if there is an appropriate e-mail address, let's write there, because. the person in the picture does not want Wikipedia to have a general category and a picture about him. Please help. Elshad Iman^verified 18:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If the person is notable (see en:Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons for criteria), they can't do anything about it. Wikipedia has articles about famous people without their consent. Idem for Commons. However it seems this person doesn't fit these criteria. Yann (talk) 18:18, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It seems he does: [2], [3]. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:28, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rza_Talibov deleted from the English segment and deleted from the Turkish language segment because it did not meet the criteria. See the discussion-https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedi:Silinmeye_aday_sayfalar/R%C4%B1za_Talibov Elshad Iman^verified 18:37, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The key reason the en.Wikipedia article was deleted was "Edited almost exclusively by a sockpuppet paid edit". Your tr.Wikipedia link has no content., but I notice you are blocked there. Is that related to Talibov? There is clearly more at play here than an individual concerned with privacy. Further sources: [4], [5]. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
the person is not a general, the media mistakenly mentioned the person as a general, the person's uniform is the uniform of a 3rd class state adviser. This does not mean that he is a general, it's just that 3rd grade state councilors wear this uniform, the person is a colonel. The colonel does not meet the encyclopedic criteria. Elshad Iman^verified 18:51, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I made absolutely no claim that Rza Talıbov is notable by virtue of his rank, whatever that might be. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:00, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, my block on the Turkish-language Wikipedia is unfounded, it has nothing to do with Rza Talibov. You can read here that I was blocked for no reason - https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedi:Silinmeye_aday_sayfalar/G%C3%BCnay_Aliyeva - after this discussion, tr wiki blocked me. Elshad Iman^verified 19:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I ask you to give administrative direction for the deletion of these [6], [7], [8] links, Rza Talibov requests the deletion of these three links about himself. Since the copyright belongs to me, I am conveying to you the person's wish and request. Elshad Iman^verified 18:29, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I believe these points were more than adequately addressed above, and - more importantly - in the recent deletion discussion which decided to keep the image. It's certainly not in Commons gift to delete Wikidata items. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:34, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If I write an official letter to VRTs, will the photo be deleted? Elshad Iman^verified 19:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No. The volunteers on the VRT noticeboard have already told you to post here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:31, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep. Famous father, held government position, and allegations of money laundering:[9]
Having opened bank accounts with Credit Suisse, Barclays, and other foreign banks, Rza and Seymur Talibov received over $20 million in suspicious wire transfers, even as the people of the Azerbaijani exclave of Nakhchivan suffered under their father’s dictatorial rule according. Suisse secrets – a global investigation into leaked banking data from the Swiss bank Credit Suisse.

Looks like Rza Talıbov is newsworthy.

Glrx (talk) 19:17, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What should the author do to be able to remove the image he added? that is, there must be a mechanism for this. Don't have a quick delete template at the request of the author?-- Elshad Iman^verified 20:07, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You can try to contact Wikimedia Foundation Legal team legal(at)wikimedia.org. -- Htm (talk) 21:46, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I assume that the author and Rza Talybov will be evaluated in accordance with the rights of the author and Rza Talybov at the address you specified. If they legally look into the issue and remove the image and category at that filing address, we won't have a problem with that, right? Elshad Iman^verified 05:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep and any further attempts to empty categories etc. out of regular process should be blockable. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:03, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hide revision with email address in edit summary[edit]

[10]. Thanks. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 03:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. Taivo (talk) 06:59, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]